Everyone is cruel in the end, it's about finding the people in life who cherish you enough to spare you their cruelty really. Even I can be unkind in how I ignore people I don't know. I don't stop to help someone crying out in pain because what if it's a ploy to hurt me?
I know being selfish isn't cruelty, but only to oneself. It's cruel to the other person regardless.
[She pauses and thinks about it.]
Then does it make me a potential god that we not only will overcome him but steal his heart and change his ways entirely? Stop him and force him to see the fault in his actions and choose to change them? Doesn't that in turn make us more powerful than him when we do so?
[She asks sincerely.]
Or is it how I already know I forgive him, even if we fail? I already forgive him now.
[They lean back, fully lying down on their bed now. Their scary persona has left, replaced again by the more fun sleepover Loki.]
Why are you asking me? I don't care at all if you're a god, potential one or not. And I don't really care if you forgive him either.
[Well, perhaps not fun, but at least more casual.]
I have no say in your status, and that will be even more so true when you return to your story. If you're looking for some sort of validation, best to find it in yourself or from your comrades. None of this has anything to do with me, yeah?
[While it's true Loki has taken some interest in these kids, their approach to relationships is rather different than an ordinary person's. Not necessarily because they're a god, but because they're Loki.]
Hm. You're not wrong. I guess then, in a way, you being a god wouldn't matter to me too.
[She looks up in thought. Looking for validation outside of herself is a bad habit she hopes to break one day, so getting called out on it kind of stings, but she's used to bearing the brunt of such call outs now.
One cannot be a professional competitor without critics and people who will be harsh afterall. ]
On another note, how do you feel about Akechi having Loki as one of his personas? Ren has Thor too. I have Vanadis.
[She can't help but wonder how they feel about her having Freyja as a persona.]
[Which is why their own answer was kinda a non-answer. They could definitely be interpreted as a god! Especially when considering the facts of their existence.
But more importantly, they are Loki.]
I think it's cute. I've seen lots of versions of myself and my family, but yours seem relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things. They're sorta like Pokémon from what I gather?
Huh.... I never thought of them like that. Hm, I think it's less pokemon and more... her dark materials? I mean, other than Ren and Akechi, the rest of us only get one, though it does evolve, so I suppose.... more like digimon. Only get one, but it's a part of your soul so it's more like a daemon in that way.
[Hm, yeah that's about the best way to explain a persona.]
They are us and not. Like I'm not actually Vanadis, but within my soul are aspects of her that fit and manifest as her. Where she's the closest representation of who I am in that moment.
[She thinks about it for a long moment, then nods.]
[Loki's technically only seen Akechi in action, and he was quick to stress that he had another one and that it wasn't like that because well, probably a little embarrassing in front of the actual Loki.
Just another thing to tease Akechi about, it seems. And one to tease Sumire about as well.]
Oh? And in what ways are you similar to my mother? Do you feel the urge to lecture me? To scold me?
[She laughs at that, because she thinks it would be funny if she started to do that just because of Vanadis. But she knows they aren't the same person or god or whatever. Hers is just a representation and theirs is the real deal.]
I mean, I could if you really want, if that's missing from your life, I'll step up to the plate.
[For a moment she thinks about it.]
But I don't even actually understand it. I guess because I'm a fighter, I'm strong, but I am someone who loves and guides. How does a persona choose? Because I don't pick it. It... it picked me. So really, in what ways is your mother like me that she would choose me?
Is it missing from my life? Yes. Is that what I want? Absolutely not.
[Loki enjoys being ungoverned!! But also the idea of Sumire trying to scold them is hilarious.]
I can't say I know you well enough to say for sure, but... my mother is stubborn.
Her marriage was a political one, ending a war between the Aesir and the Vanir. Her first child was lost to her, spirited away to another realm until time forgot her. And the whole reason you get married like that is to produce a proper heir, right? Kind of a bummer.
Thor and I, neither of us were born of her womb. Thor from a dalliance Odin had with Gaea, and myself born in Jotunheim. Still, she raised us as her own. Thor has never doubted her love for him, and he knows that they are mother and son regardless of blood. Someone who loves and guides... aye, that's about right for her role in his story.
My take might be that she guides a bit too much. Like any mother, she thinks she knows what is best for all. She ruled Asgard accordingly, and while she presented herself as less brash, less violent than my father, her decisions were sometimes crueler.
She's the God of the Hunt now, and I'd say it suits her, being wild and free and not tied down by marriage or politics.
Someone she'd choose... I imagine is someone as stubborn as her. Someone who's faced hardships and continued on, for better or worse. Acting from a place of love that reaches beyond the self, focusing instead on the good of everyone, sometimes to their detriment. The seemingly contradicting love and war, fertility and death. And a uniquely feminine energy all the same.
[Sumire listens with intent, curious about the reality of one universes version of the god her persona is shaped from. It's all really rather interesting, it makes her wonder about a great many things, about herself, about others, about the form of her persona. Really, it's all so beyond her, but whatever she can learn, she's eager to.
Guides too much, huh? Maybe Sumire does that too, with her fics and meddling. Even thinking about it she was already coming up with excuses why it was okay and for their good. Maybe she can relate to that too. Too much of all of this really.]
Yeah, not to gas myself up, but that feels right. And good, I'm glad she's free and wild now. [Her tone is empathetic, because she understands so much about what it's like to be tied down in a way.]
Well, I think I've taken up enough of your time, thank you, especially for the conversation, it's been very... thought provoking.
[It's strange, having to consider Freyja outside the confines of a single story. Part of them felt as if they portrayed her too kindly, remembering how happy she was to lock them in the narrative's cage for all eternity, so long as Asgard and Thor were safe. And then too, there's the grief they felt in the face of her death. Loki was the one who had killed her, of course, it's what the story demanded but still.
Ugh, it's frustrating making sense of all these various plotlines. Perhaps that's why everyone else is content to ignore the fourth wall.
Loki tucks a strand of hair behind their ear, remembering the time and place as they offer a small smile to Sumire.]
Oh! Yes, thank you. I should go before Kitagawa-san sees me leaving here. That would be an awkward conversation, even with him.... maybe especially with him.
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Everyone is cruel in the end, it's about finding the people in life who cherish you enough to spare you their cruelty really. Even I can be unkind in how I ignore people I don't know. I don't stop to help someone crying out in pain because what if it's a ploy to hurt me?
I know being selfish isn't cruelty, but only to oneself. It's cruel to the other person regardless.
[She pauses and thinks about it.]
Then does it make me a potential god that we not only will overcome him but steal his heart and change his ways entirely? Stop him and force him to see the fault in his actions and choose to change them? Doesn't that in turn make us more powerful than him when we do so?
[She asks sincerely.]
Or is it how I already know I forgive him, even if we fail? I already forgive him now.
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Why are you asking me? I don't care at all if you're a god, potential one or not. And I don't really care if you forgive him either.
[Well, perhaps not fun, but at least more casual.]
I have no say in your status, and that will be even more so true when you return to your story. If you're looking for some sort of validation, best to find it in yourself or from your comrades. None of this has anything to do with me, yeah?
[While it's true Loki has taken some interest in these kids, their approach to relationships is rather different than an ordinary person's. Not necessarily because they're a god, but because they're Loki.]
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[She looks up in thought. Looking for validation outside of herself is a bad habit she hopes to break one day, so getting called out on it kind of stings, but she's used to bearing the brunt of such call outs now.
One cannot be a professional competitor without critics and people who will be harsh afterall. ]
On another note, how do you feel about Akechi having Loki as one of his personas? Ren has Thor too. I have Vanadis.
[She can't help but wonder how they feel about her having Freyja as a persona.]
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[Which is why their own answer was kinda a non-answer. They could definitely be interpreted as a god! Especially when considering the facts of their existence.
But more importantly, they are Loki.]
I think it's cute. I've seen lots of versions of myself and my family, but yours seem relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things. They're sorta like Pokémon from what I gather?
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[Hm, yeah that's about the best way to explain a persona.]
They are us and not. Like I'm not actually Vanadis, but within my soul are aspects of her that fit and manifest as her. Where she's the closest representation of who I am in that moment.
[She thinks about it for a long moment, then nods.]
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Just another thing to tease Akechi about, it seems. And one to tease Sumire about as well.]
Oh? And in what ways are you similar to my mother? Do you feel the urge to lecture me? To scold me?
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I mean, I could if you really want, if that's missing from your life, I'll step up to the plate.
[For a moment she thinks about it.]
But I don't even actually understand it. I guess because I'm a fighter, I'm strong, but I am someone who loves and guides. How does a persona choose? Because I don't pick it. It... it picked me. So really, in what ways is your mother like me that she would choose me?
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[Loki enjoys being ungoverned!! But also the idea of Sumire trying to scold them is hilarious.]
I can't say I know you well enough to say for sure, but... my mother is stubborn.
Her marriage was a political one, ending a war between the Aesir and the Vanir. Her first child was lost to her, spirited away to another realm until time forgot her. And the whole reason you get married like that is to produce a proper heir, right? Kind of a bummer.
Thor and I, neither of us were born of her womb. Thor from a dalliance Odin had with Gaea, and myself born in Jotunheim. Still, she raised us as her own. Thor has never doubted her love for him, and he knows that they are mother and son regardless of blood. Someone who loves and guides... aye, that's about right for her role in his story.
My take might be that she guides a bit too much. Like any mother, she thinks she knows what is best for all. She ruled Asgard accordingly, and while she presented herself as less brash, less violent than my father, her decisions were sometimes crueler.
She's the God of the Hunt now, and I'd say it suits her, being wild and free and not tied down by marriage or politics.
Someone she'd choose... I imagine is someone as stubborn as her. Someone who's faced hardships and continued on, for better or worse. Acting from a place of love that reaches beyond the self, focusing instead on the good of everyone, sometimes to their detriment. The seemingly contradicting love and war, fertility and death. And a uniquely feminine energy all the same.
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Guides too much, huh? Maybe Sumire does that too, with her fics and meddling. Even thinking about it she was already coming up with excuses why it was okay and for their good. Maybe she can relate to that too. Too much of all of this really.]
Yeah, not to gas myself up, but that feels right. And good, I'm glad she's free and wild now. [Her tone is empathetic, because she understands so much about what it's like to be tied down in a way.]
Well, I think I've taken up enough of your time, thank you, especially for the conversation, it's been very... thought provoking.
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Ugh, it's frustrating making sense of all these various plotlines. Perhaps that's why everyone else is content to ignore the fourth wall.
Loki tucks a strand of hair behind their ear, remembering the time and place as they offer a small smile to Sumire.]
Good luck with Akechi.
okay so what's it do? :eyes:
[She smiles and grabs her bag with a hum.]
It was lovely to talk to you.
[With a bow, she slips quietly out the door.]